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GeoEngineering
02-13-2014, 10:34 PM (This post was last modified: 02-13-2014 10:59 PM by Mike G.)
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RE: GeoEngineering
f220

Well, there is starvation and it has been going on for sometime, ever since I was just a pup, before I was a pup.

I believe that mankind has done quite a bit to stave off starvation, thru agricultural practices that have maintained a higher level of production than Malthus never understood, could not at that point.

But that remains to be seen for its continence, the present continuance of food production means in many ways the cultivation of increasingly marginal soils with the addition of oil based fertilizers and government expenditures for that production.

At some point the continual mining of our soils and climate variances may reach a head of declining production. Such is the reality of any ecosystem, whether you be a human or some other species, you reach a carrying capacity.

America has great resources and they don't come from DC, the banking industry or the wall street casino they come from the land and those that work it.

The fact that so many humans expect that they can just go to the supermarket and buy an unlimited supply of goods is subject to untold unknowns.

I suspect that at some point, we will reach a carrying capacity in this world and I prefer to be on the side that has the ability to sustain ours and I believe that others aren't too concerned about my interests.
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02-14-2014, 08:48 PM
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(02-13-2014 10:34 PM)Mike G Wrote:  f220

Well, there is starvation and it has been going on for sometime, ever since I was just a pup, before I was a pup.

I believe that mankind has done quite a bit to stave off starvation, thru agricultural practices that have maintained a higher level of production than Malthus never understood, could not at that point.

But that remains to be seen for its continence, the present continuance of food production means in many ways the cultivation of increasingly marginal soils with the addition of oil based fertilizers and government expenditures for that production.

At some point the continual mining of our soils and climate variances may reach a head of declining production. Such is the reality of any ecosystem, whether you be a human or some other species, you reach a carrying capacity.

America has great resources and they don't come from DC, the banking industry or the wall street casino they come from the land and those that work it.

The fact that so many humans expect that they can just go to the supermarket and buy an unlimited supply of goods is subject to untold unknowns.

I suspect that at some point, we will reach a carrying capacity in this world and I prefer to be on the side that has the ability to sustain ours and I believe that others aren't too concerned about my interests.

Agree with this. What we should avoid is over centralization, over uniformity. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket. We should get to figuring out how to remineralize soils.
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02-25-2014, 05:27 PM
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Maybe it is not such a good idea afterall
http://news.yahoo.com/geo-engineering-no...EAcV7QtDMD
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02-25-2014, 08:19 PM
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I am scratching my head trying to figure out where you guys get all your farming info.
Mad Magazine or The Onion?

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02-25-2014, 10:36 PM (This post was last modified: 02-25-2014 10:37 PM by Mike G.)
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Ugene

I assume you know that there has been a significant decrease in the depth of topsoil in the agricultural counties of Maine and all agricultural soils across the US and elsewhere.

That is what I'm talking about,
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02-26-2014, 07:35 AM
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Top soil moves by gravity. It doesn't get lost. It may end up in the ocean, but it still remains.Every farmer knows that and does everything they can to stop it from happening.
Now, if you want to talk about quality of top soil, then we can have a conversation.
The biggest concern for farming is the loss of organic matter in top soil.
Organic matter holds moisture as well as slowly releasing plant nutrients. The more organic matter a soil holds, the better it's ability to help the crop endure too much and too little rain.
For years in the fifties and sixties Cooperative Extension pushed farmers to plant "hedgerow to hedgerow" year after year with no break between to rebuild the OM in soil. Many paid the price with lower and lower yields until they went belly up. My dad was one of these casualties. Having put himself through UMO milking cows and doing odd jobs in the late thirties, he took the Extensions words as words from God and paid the price for their stupidity.
With the "organic" movement in the seventies came a much better understanding of the soil as a living, breathing, symbiotic organism that, when thrown out of balance, dosen't perform as well.
Now, the "organic" movement has become nothing more than a trendy way for people to charge twice as much for their poorly raised products because they have abandoned all the right things that were discovered about adding nutrients back to the soil through chemistry.
Farms and the different soils on them can be considered the same as a bank account. If you are given a checking account with $1000 in it, and continue to draw it out, even at $.05 a day, eventually it will run out.
The nutrients and OM in soils are no different than that checking account.
Observe the modern dairy farm, for instance. Most raise a number of animals that can not be supported by the amount of farmland they work. Feed is brought in from off farm sources, manure and milk is produced, and the manure pile grows. The manure is spread on the land year after year to the point that the soil contains an overabundance of certain chemicals like potassium and nitrogen that start to throw that living, breathing organism out of balance. In some extremes, nitrogen runs off causing other damages.

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02-26-2014, 08:05 AM
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when the potatoes roll out into the middle of the road and the Aroostook River turns a nice olive brown during a heavy rainstorm I believe some of that organic matter is mixed in there.

After a time, the soils become so thin that the plow is bouncing off the bedrock and it is time to abandon that field or get a diamond-tipped plow.
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02-26-2014, 08:08 AM (This post was last modified: 02-26-2014 08:22 AM by Ugene.)
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If you'd gone back after that hundred year episode, you'd have seen large earthmoving equipment replacing it.

Probably with better soil than was lost.

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03-19-2014, 05:47 PM
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THOSE CHICOMS

The link is to a 5 minute 'current events in geo-engineering' type video. It's good for a couple of reasons.

It is indisputable that the Chicoms used geo-engineering to clear the skies prior to the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The smog is now back and worse and the video points to a couple of news stories telling us how they'll use drones to confront the problem, this time around. It's proof that the science deniers do not have a leg to stand on.

It goes on to give an example of a private business that successfully engineers and will be adding drones to it's arsenal.

There's more and it's short so see for yourself.
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03-20-2014, 05:54 AM
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Geez then, you would have thought the Rooskies would have stopped their chemtrails for the Sochi games.

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