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Quimby/StClair threaten "knock-down, drag-out fight " to impose Federal park takeover
01-13-2014, 09:45 PM (This post was last modified: 01-13-2014 10:01 PM by mainelydave.)
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RE: Quimby/StClair threaten "knock-down, drag-out fight " to impose Federal park takeover
Park or no park, Ms. Quimby owns the property. Isn't she entitled to personal property rights? Doesn't that include posting it for no trespassing if she wants? Not logging it if she wants? Who are you to say how the property is managed? You don't own it. I smell entitlement from locals who have had free reign of others private property for years.

I'd say that the locals communicate with the Qumby's. Seems like they are willing to compromise a bit on uses of THEIR land.

I can only imagine that you are opposed to Baxter State Park as well. Should of never been allowed...
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01-14-2014, 04:39 AM
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RE: Quimby/StClair threaten "knock-down, drag-out fight " to impose Federal ...
(01-13-2014 09:45 PM)mainelydave Wrote:  Park or no park, Ms. Quimby owns the property. Isn't she entitled to personal property rights? Doesn't that include posting it for no trespassing if she wants? Not logging it if she wants? Who are you to say how the property is managed? You don't own it. I smell entitlement from locals who have had free reign of others private property for years.

I'd say that the locals communicate with the Qumby's. Seems like they are willing to compromise a bit on uses of THEIR land.

I can only imagine that you are opposed to Baxter State Park as well. Should of never been allowed...

Whatever you claim to "smell", this is a discussion of the Quimby political threat of imposing Federal control, not her property rights. No one here has told her how to manage her own property.
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01-14-2014, 08:08 AM (This post was last modified: 01-14-2014 08:41 AM by Ugene.)
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RE: Quimby/StClair threaten "knock-down, drag-out fight " to impose Federal park takeover
Mainelydave
Nobody is telling her what to do with her lands. The local feelings are that if she wants to close them to traditional usage, though unpopular, it is her right as a propertry owner.
What she is doing right now is using those traditional usage allowances as bribes in order to gain local support, which she needs in order to start her seed.
She has even gone so far as to require the Katahdin area snowmobile clubs to sign a letter of support for her NPS efforts in return for allowing trails to cross her property.
What we in the Katahdin region are opposed to is her efforts to bring federal control to her lands thereby impacting ALL property owners rights, eventually, throughout the entire Northern Forest area.
This plan has been 30 years in the making.
No matter what Quimby or the other numerous enviromental industry mouthpieces say, this is a long term 10 million acre project.
They will not rest until the "seed" that Quimby is trying to plant with her so-called "tiny" donation sets root.
Your reference to BSP is interesting in that Percival Baxter had such distrust for the National Park Service that he specifically prohibited federal control with his deeds of trusts. Having observed the way land for Acadia NP was ripped from local control while being established probably had something to do with this distrust.
Those deeds of trust have been a thorn in the viro's side for years.
Take a look at Restore's maps and you can see that their plan is to surround it, thereby, controlling it.

Land rights and federal control are the issues.
Two seperate issues, yet intertwined, because of the arrogance of the NPS in the way they want to expand their sphere of influence through federal edict.

Is it considered a conspiracy if they really are after you?Huh
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01-14-2014, 07:28 PM
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RE: Quimby/StClair threaten "knock-down, drag-out fight " to impose Federal ...
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Mainelydave
Nobody is telling her what to do with her lands.

Maine has a long history of oppressing rural counties, towns and people. I have a book titled "The Lost Towns of Flagstaff Lake" that details the seizure of those towns by CMP with the approval of the legislature. A couple of decades later they enacted the Maine Land Use Practices Act which seized all shoreland and enacted LURC. Just last year they made .LURC bigger, stronger and meaner. Oh, it's got a new name, but nothing has changed. People under their thumb still cannot elect those who rule them.

Roxanne Quimby has brought in a PR firm in an attempt to bamboozle the people and create the illusion that Maine people are ready to sell out for a national park. That will never fly. One thing to understand is if she gives land to the Feds, the Feds can designate it however they want. It can be a forest, national monument, preserve or historic site. The danger is that one administrator can turn that into a national park with the stroke of a pen. It has been done before.
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01-14-2014, 07:54 PM
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In this day of the FED Cranking out untold dollars, let us not forget that some landowners will be bamboozled into thinking that they may get a fair deal for selling out to the feds. In a years time their profit can become nothing or less than so.

These are uncertain times and if anyone can promise a seller of Real Estate that their dollar will have the same value or greater as when sold, then they are truly a liar.

I see this as a government grab for real worth vs that piece of credit know as the buck, the value of which decreases almost everyday and at a later date could just free fall.

View the North Woods Park as collateral for our debtors in the future collapse.

There is no means that we can stop foolish landowners from selling their lands at below real value to the federal thieves, but they should be aware of the impact to not only themselves but to Maine people.
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01-14-2014, 08:18 PM (This post was last modified: 01-14-2014 08:20 PM by Ugene.)
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Believe it or not, Maine's industrial landowners are bullish on staying in the business of sustainably growing, harvesting, processing, and shipping forest products.
Baskehegan Co has some of the most beautiful, well managed timberlands in the Northeast.
Prentice and Carlilse has expanded to other states with their timberland management strategies.
Irving Timberlands is in the process of building a new state of the art mill in Nashville Plantation.
Seven Islands Land Co has two state of the art mills in Ashland.
Roxanne Quimby is one of the biggest proponants of liquidation logging.
She has bought timberland from certain individuals and corporations that knew she wanted it and stated that she did not care if it had zero timber left on it.
The lands she owns are very poorly managed because she isn't in the tree growing business.

Is it considered a conspiracy if they really are after you?Huh
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01-15-2014, 10:53 AM
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(01-14-2014 08:18 PM)Ugene Wrote:  Mike G
Believe it or not, Maine's industrial landowners are bullish on staying in the business of sustainably growing, harvesting, processing, and shipping forest products.
Baskehegan Co has some of the most beautiful, well managed timberlands in the Northeast.
Prentice and Carlilse has expanded to other states with their timberland management strategies.
Irving Timberlands is in the process of building a new state of the art mill in Nashville Plantation.
Seven Islands Land Co has two state of the art mills in Ashland.
Roxanne Quimby is one of the biggest proponants of liquidation logging.
She has bought timberland from certain individuals and corporations that knew she wanted it and stated that she did not care if it had zero timber left on it.
The lands she owns are very poorly managed because she isn't in the tree growing business.

Ugene, thank you. This is information the public needs to know. And it needs to be hammered home to our Congressional delegation.
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01-15-2014, 10:58 AM
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(01-14-2014 08:18 PM)Ugene Wrote:  Mike G
The lands she owns are very poorly managed because she isn't in the tree growing business.

No Maine paper mill owns timber land in Maine today. We still have a lot of wooded land in private hands, but when the paper companies were forced to sell their lands,
They left behind an economic scorched earth, contaminated with all manner of easements, covenants and codicils. They cut the economic heart out of rural Maine.
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01-15-2014, 01:18 PM
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Ugene - thank you for the insights.

So is the big issue here merely Federal control? Would there be as much opposition if Ms. Quimby's land was sold/donated to the existing Baxter State Park Authority?
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01-15-2014, 01:46 PM (This post was last modified: 01-15-2014 01:51 PM by Ugene.)
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In reality, her land has no outstanding qualities asocciated with it.
Baxter doesn't want it.
Over 90% of BSP is underutilized to the point that it only costs money to own it.
The only part she owns that has any quality that needs to be preserved is the East Branch of the Penobscot from the Matagamon dam downstream and is already is preserved through easements the state paid Great Northern Paper for many years ago.
Those easements should have gaurenteed motorized snowmobile acess, but either the negotiators were asleep at the wheel, or nobody has the balls to go up against her.

The whole focus of her efforts is to start acquiring land in order to create a massive primitive wilderness park.
Does agenda 21 sound familiar Mainelydave?
It should, because taking land for this massive primitive wilderness will drive people from the rural areas into the urban centers which is what Agenda 21 is all about.

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