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GeoEngineering
02-06-2014, 12:53 PM (This post was last modified: 02-06-2014 12:56 PM by Three Pipe Problem.)
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RE: GeoEngineering
Mike, one of the signs of a first-class intellect is reassessing one's positions as evidence unfolds. Lately it seems a lot more is coming out about this.

I look at the assumption we can be certain about black ops as one that far overreaches. Even with a whistle blower who performed a relevant job function in the military, this is just one person's account. This is why I find the certainty of e.g. polguy somewhat ironic. We as a species seem to pay little heed to the notion that much could escape our grasp. Despite what I said earlier, I can't claim to know for sure what is going on... only that I have seen enough to be wary of geoengineering.

If people have already dug into the "sensible" or "skeptical" position it is difficult to change one's mind. But close analysis will reveal that the skeptical position is usually merely a wild guess or cultural preference.

To be explicit, consider *any* given proposition p. For example, p could be "There is a secret geo-engineeering program". The skeptical position relies on on implying that "not p" can be assumed, i.e. that the burden of proof is on the person making the "positive" assertion, not yet established by evidence, as opposed to a negative one. But this does not hold water logically. In a large number of cases there may be found a "positive" proposition q that means the same, for practical purposes, as "not p". In this case q could be "All geo-engineering programs have been disclosed." This puts the lie to the idea that any argument towards a negative (or a positive) can be privileged on that basis -- unless one is willing to accept that the "proper" skeptical position depends on which of two different ways an equivalent fact is worded (i.e. one can say p or equivalently, "not q"; alternatively on can say q, or equivalently, "not p").

If you think about it, this reveals how the so-called "skeptical" position is often simply an arbitrary one. It is simply a position that accepts as a default some brand of dogma, be it be scientific, political, or cultural. Lack of evidence for a claim should not be construed as evidence for an assumed or "default" position.
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GeoEngineering - Bob - 02-04-2014, 09:41 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-04-2014, 11:24 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-05-2014, 12:45 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-05-2014, 01:58 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-05-2014, 07:21 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 02-05-2014, 09:43 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - polguy - 02-05-2014, 12:35 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 02-07-2014, 09:15 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 02-05-2014, 12:45 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-05-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-05-2014, 07:06 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - polguy - 02-05-2014, 10:18 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-05-2014, 10:57 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - polguy - 02-05-2014, 11:20 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-05-2014, 11:28 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-05-2014, 11:38 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 02-06-2014, 12:10 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-06-2014, 12:53 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-06-2014, 01:06 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 02-06-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - f220 - 02-11-2014, 06:33 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-06-2014, 11:34 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 02-06-2014 12:53 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - woodcanoe - 02-07-2014, 07:52 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - woodcanoe - 02-07-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-11-2014, 11:45 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-13-2014, 06:17 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-13-2014, 06:34 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - f220 - 02-13-2014, 09:43 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 02-13-2014, 06:46 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-13-2014, 10:34 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - f220 - 02-14-2014, 08:48 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Islander - 02-25-2014, 05:27 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 02-25-2014, 08:19 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-25-2014, 10:36 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 02-26-2014, 07:35 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 02-26-2014, 08:05 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 02-26-2014, 08:08 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-19-2014, 05:47 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-20-2014, 05:54 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-20-2014, 09:10 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-20-2014, 04:24 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-22-2014, 12:28 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 03-22-2014, 12:43 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-22-2014, 06:46 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Mike G - 03-22-2014, 08:07 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-22-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-22-2014, 08:30 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-23-2014, 06:30 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-23-2014, 01:29 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-29-2014, 10:42 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 03-30-2014, 11:49 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 03-31-2014, 08:51 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-07-2014, 11:37 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-10-2014, 05:05 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-15-2014, 03:10 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 04-16-2014, 08:50 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-16-2014, 11:27 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 04-18-2014, 09:15 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 05-02-2014, 02:01 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 05-03-2014, 06:29 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Bob - 05-14-2014, 08:20 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 05-21-2014, 01:29 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 05-21-2014, 07:59 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 06-04-2014, 02:04 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 06-04-2014, 11:57 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 06-05-2014, 06:48 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 06-10-2014, 05:29 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 06-30-2014, 03:42 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Roger Ek - 06-30-2014, 06:27 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 07-21-2014, 03:02 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 07-21-2014, 04:42 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 07-22-2014, 05:12 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 07-23-2014, 09:07 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 07-23-2014, 01:50 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 07-24-2014, 06:12 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 07-25-2014, 01:49 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 07-24-2014, 11:31 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 07-24-2014, 01:40 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 10-04-2014, 04:17 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 10-04-2014, 09:42 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 10-14-2014, 05:44 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 10-14-2014, 06:20 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 10-14-2014, 07:27 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-17-2014, 03:26 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-18-2014, 06:09 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 11-19-2014, 07:05 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 11-19-2014, 08:07 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 11-20-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-21-2014, 01:13 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-25-2014, 11:30 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 11-26-2014, 10:31 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-26-2014, 09:21 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 11-27-2014, 08:50 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 11-27-2014, 10:25 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - TANSTAF1 - 04-20-2015, 08:06 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-20-2015, 09:46 AM
RE: GeoEngineering - Three Pipe Problem - 04-22-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 04-29-2015, 09:58 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - taxfoe - 05-15-2015, 06:07 PM
RE: GeoEngineering - Ugene - 06-13-2015, 07:37 AM
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